No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. Most soldiers and citizens surrendered their swords to the American occupying forces. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. Powered by Invision Community. There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does Most WW II era blades are not sharpened all the down to the habaki (collar). Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. late, now sold). Further Is the tang (nakago) signed? A number of opinions have been provided, some with hints of the issues. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Brass hilt. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Greetings. Ivory has a distinctive grain. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Original Item: Only One Available. tourist momentos that are commonly thought to be some special type of Japanese sword. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo Also many Chinese military swords are confused with Japanese swords. more then I would pay but I'm grinch, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WW2-Japanese-Type-95-NCO-Sword/222687760837?hash=item33d93991c5:g:KZAAAOSwIJlZ6-vP, another version, price is abit high but a honest piece, https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Original-WW2-Japanese-Shin-Gunto-NCO-Samurai-Sword-extremely-rare-variation-3/332424959489?_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D48795%26meid%3D4f20fff958304da4af55f1ba88fb7e90%26pid%3D100005%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D6%26sd%3D222687760837&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. military type swords are also being reproduced today. An etched temper line will be seen as a smooth cloud lacking any internal features. doing. Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. Press J to jump to the feed. NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. Serial number placement. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. Pre-Owned. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Older swords will have more rusted tangs, ranging from brown to smooth deep black rust for the oldest swords. The metal of the scabbard has the patina of old iron. I think it's always worth spending the extra time to study these "high end fakes/copies" because they are getting better. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. A real hamon Upload or insert images from URL. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Vice versa, antique blades are occassionally found The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. on a single criteria. Slowly improving. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. 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Your link has been automatically embedded. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. After that I heard nothing. The grip still retains much of its brown paint, being approximately 70% intact, and the golden yellow paint on the cherry blossom menuki is approximately 50% intact. It is said that during battle soldiers would not use the ring but rather would stick the sword through the belt the same way as the Samurai in ancient times. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! & valuations. View cart for details. There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. Machine made blade is good condition. Contact one of them for assistance. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. A real one would also be fine, but is too expensive for me. T95 NCO swords had copper hilts, or later, aluminum ones, never brass. You cannot paste images directly. This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. Something changed in the last 6 months. So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. The saya A great early war example at a low price; yours for ? I offered to send photos or provide opinions from experienced collector's. age of a Japanese sword, seek advice from a reputable collector. The prices go higher and higher and they will copy better and better to take part on this. Because it's really quite a nice repro, thought I'd better share it here as for reference. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. This being despite the machine made blade an cast aluminum hilt. Blade is 26.5 inches long, with an overall length of 36.5 inches. People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! no interest to Japanese sword collectors. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. A real shooter with aim. These items are of C $158.47 + C $66.38 . Etchings. I ask you to help in determining the authenticity of the sword. This page was last updated: 04-Mar 05:55. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. Benefits CHARITY. Most handmade This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Paste as plain text instead, The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. Is there visible grain (hada) in the steel of the blade? Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! Something went wrong. This product is available for international shipping. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. or old wood sticks. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Short fuller. sword clubs in many cities. You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. It's also highly unlikely that a replica would have such a wonderfully aged scabbard cover. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. Powered by Invision Community, Sword Shows, Events, Community News and Legislation Issues, Military Swords of Imperial Japan - Ohmura San, Nihonto-Japanese Swords as Art - John Eliyas, The Token Society of GB - Scotland Branch, Nanka Token Kai - Southern California Japanese Sword Society, Japanese Sword Society of the United States, The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Sword Culture (NBSK), The Japanese Sword Society of the United States, Nederlandse Tken Vereniging - Netherlands, San Francisco Nipponto Society *caution, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277, http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Fakes never get it right. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. I would recommend you check with your original person who raised the concern about it's originality. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. There's a technical term for it in Australia. Sorry Its not even a good fake. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era The one thing that always sets off alarms on these is the tsuka almost looks blurred or sandblasted, the real NCO's are usually crisp and bold and well defined. collectors often have a higher knowledge base then dealers, and a higher respect for items and there history. WW2. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. I just want an accurate reproduction. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. Please see our. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. All Rights Reserved. If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not I have been searching for years for a good reproduction of a Japanese Shin-gunto NCO sword. And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. (Do not remove the rust). NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. Sometimes they get irate. Description. the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. $4200. On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. To a novice who buys on impulse..then asks in the forums.you'll get BURNT. Short fuller. An elite marksman. You can post now and register later. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. That is an important part of identifying the authenticity of an NCO. Paste as plain text instead, Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. It's 40 inches overall, with a 33.5" blade, and weighs roughly two to two and a half pounds, or 101cm with an 85cm blade, and about a kilo for all you metric enthusiasts. Pasted as rich text. Here is a decent fake Stu W. posted over on WAF. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of That's why I addressed here. once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. June 23, 2016 in Military Swords of Japan. were signed simply as a way of giving more prestige to the sword even though it was machine made. Akunin Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. I agree, once they start nailing the kissaki and proper proportions it will be a minefield out there. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Thanks sean, Your email address will not be published. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. / scabbard has quite a bit of its original war time browning and So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. By There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. You can't sell weapons on ebay.de it is forbidden and ebay close your account. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? Does anyone know if theres a production dating list for the different manufacturers of the type 95 nco swords ? Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. Matching serial numbers 31123. The 67 cm (not including the habaki) blade is in near mint condition. So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. And with the wrong type stamps. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. These are all machine made and are not classified as "Nihonto". The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. No habaki. Blade length approximately 27 1/2 inches . It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. antique or of recent vintage. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. Your link has been automatically embedded. Sorry for the bad news. Please see our. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. Most swords do not have matching . Some older (Shinshinto) Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Truly disappointing. 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